Those same rocks would knock out anyone hit by them. The only reason why they even survived was thanks to their armor- which is nigh impervious to kinetic attacks save exceptionally powerful AP rounds. Also, their armor was never pieced by an arrow or a spear. Only the bodysuit. Meanwhile, stormtrooper armor once tanked a spear thrown with such force that it lifted the stormtrooper up and launched him across the room and pinned him to the wall. The wearer survived with no damage, including to that of his internal organs. (Doesn't hurt either that the ewoks are mini hulks.)
Of course, a lasgun would punch through it just fine because Stormtrooper armor sucks against direct hits from energy weapons.
Hmm do you have some specific sources for the Stormtrooper armor vs. Kinetic weapons? Like some helpful quotations from novels? Out of curiosity I am trying to figure out how well Terran Gauss Rifles of Starcraft fame would fair against CloneTroopers/Stormtroopers ( I believe their armor is different slightly in regards to Kinetic weapons) as part of a project involving the two overall factions.
The closet example to a similar weapon I have found in Star Wars is the Verpine Shatter Gun which was used against Clone Troopers, however I am not sure how effective it was.
If you are unfamiliar with the Guass Rifle it fires 8 mm armor-piercing metal Hypersonic spikes at 30 RPS (though most marines fire in bursts) with a 1km max range. Having read the books it seems to be able to propel backwards through sheer force what it can't penetrate outright and when it can penetrate it either takes off limbs or pin a person to the wall. Can gather the specific quotes if you want.
Oh by that logic all marines can equip themselves Tank Busting Sniper rifles that blow apart armor from the inside and call down nukes with a push of a button on their suit.....Oh and these weapons can be psionically charged, so enemy armor doesn't matter.
Since clearly if we are going to give Clones elite Clone Commando retrofitted armor that was never wholly effective against the railgun anyway we must also give the marines Ghost and Spectre weapons.
Seriously stop commenting on all posts regarding SW for a while. You have proven yourself incapable of giving a neutral viewpoint or even reigning in on your bias slightly (Since I don't think true neutrality is possible for anyone), your posts don't stand up to source scrutiny, you outright lie or mislead in some of them, and your overall effort just makes people take SW less seriously . Lay off SW for a while.
By ''can be upgraded'' i meant that it's possible, not that everyone get's it off the back you twat (lol).
And this upgrade has rendered Verpines useless as per Omega Squad Targets where clone commando Atin shoots Fi straight in the chest from almost point blank and the armour wasn't pierced at all.The only effect being a numb pain.
How exactly am i biased?
I'sticking to the side i think is superior and i state why and/or how.Or i'm just making notes like this here.
I'm simply making my points and waiting for someone else to proove me wrong or counter me.
...Its *possible* that the Terran Dominion could ignore all other objectives and even common sense to give everyone tank-busting sniper rifles. And Nukes. Even though said nuke spam would be both terrible on the field and would bankrupt them. Because why not under your logic?
Yep clone commandos had it, thats it. This quote doesn't tell me what type of projectile was fired either, which is important. And in a direct elite comparison it wouldn't matter anyway as Starcraft elites have psionics that ignore all physical armor. Now imagine instead of that numb pain produced by one projectile internal injuries as not one but 30 projectiles all collide with the clone inducing vast internal injuries. This in just 1 second mind you.
Because you show up in every battle spouting Star Wars superiority, manipulating half-truths to form the basis of your argument and outright spouting lies. Like that time you claimed blasters do complete disintegration where its clear only the disrupter did (which you went on to claim was common) or you argued that (and you still argue) that the 0.5 feroconcrete feat is common instead of applying to a specific gun.
I've countered you before. I made the argument that the CIS was a trashy quantity based army in lore and that the Dark Eldar, if they struck early, could overwhelm them before they could build up. I provided examples of the Dark Eldar leaders being better and of Star Wars craft being weaker in some guides more then others, with CIS particularly being much weaker. You ignored all this and continued to argue that the CIS could beat a high quality army despite lack of overwhelming numbers, this even after the huge k/d rations the Republic got on them.
Your mind literally cannot conceive defeat of your favorite factions except in the most overwhelming of circumstances (full Chaos invasion everywhere) and takes steps to wank them past normal lore, even manipulating said lore to only include high feats(disrupters apparently common for example, and without their lore weaknesses) while only pointing out low feats of your enemies. That makes you a terrible debater, and you have done Star Wars a disservice in this. Just work a little on your debating styles man, then come back
I don't have the quotes, what I get is second hand from some users on Spacebattles.com (which is a great source of feats from people that own the stuff). I don't invest much in Star Wars EU besides some comics thanks to it largely being terrible post ROTJ where it becomes just. Well. Insane. Somebody give luke a bathroom break.
However, a gauss gun would probably have enough force from the KE impact to reduce the wearer's organs to mush. I mean, it could certainly tank modern 7.62 Nato- but a gauss gun?
Nah. Dude's definitely dead from the impact. (As for the Verpine Shatter Rifle, it's the Mary Sue of guns. It's a hypersonic and completely silent railgun that can use practically anything as ammunition (pebbles for example). IIRC, I own the books where it pops up and it did pop Katarn-Class armor.)
Hmm Spacebattles can be a good resource and I like it at times. Only problem is some of the debates have members get a little too "enthusiastic" about their franchises and use the most high end feats available only, whereas I prefer middle of the line feats. Having spied on another of your conversations with someone who I have been debating with much of the week, I would prefer if people didn't assume that all blasters put 0.5m holes in ferroconcrete* or have FTL SMs. Still I will ask there when the dreaded LAG goes away for a while.
Hmm thank you for the Shatter gun example, I knew there had to be one of something projectile based penetrating it. Ill have to look it up more in detail to see how its penetrtive power compares to the Gauss rifle however even if it can't penetrate there is, as you said, a very real possibility of internal damage doing the trick.
Also, for the Commandos, don't forget that they don't have shields. The only showing of shields for them is the Republic Game, and it never shows up again to my knowledge. And that they have vastly superior armor to the standard Phase I/II and Stormtrooper Plastoid (which is worse at Clone Armor for protection in favor of greater environmental protection).
Alright, so here's the quote for the Katarn Commando armor (which is better than plastoid standard armor, failing to a shot from a verpine shatter gun.
"Crack. Atin pitched forward. Etain thought that he had merely tripped, but Darman was now on the ground, and she followed suit. He was sprawled across Atin with his rifle raised. Atin wasn't screaming, but he was making a rhythmic ah-ah-ah noise as if he was trying to gulp air. Uthan was lying in a heap on the grass.
....Atin was now worryingly quiet. When Darman turned him carefully onto his side, there was a shattered hole in his armor plate about twenty centimeters below his right armpit that was leaking blood. Darman took a small, gray oblong container with rounded edges from his belt and emptied the contents onto the ground. He shoved what looked like field dressing in the gaping hole and taped it to the armor."
Pages 273 and 274 of Star Wars Republic Commando: Hard Contact.
Sweet man thanks for the quote I just saw it! Yea I think this is good evidence for Gauss rifles vs. CT armor. Hmm what is your opinion (or if you have any quotes) of Star Wars fighters in atmo? Some of the books give them ridiculous speeds like 44,000 km/h and 200 gigaton shots that I think are a little insane. However the newer book (New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels) have dropped those specs so they might not be still canon.
They're still canon and confirmed by Leeland Chee. Although it's not the fighters that have 200 gigaton shots, those are the turbolasers on the old Acclamator transport/assault cruiser from the start of the Clone Wars.